Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box N N2TRKYS Well-Known Member Joined In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large . I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Although, the 28 Nosler is an awesome cartridge. If you reload ,other than initial brass price, the cost is nearly identical. The 404 Jeffery sired the majority of Nosler's cartridge line, namely the 30 Nosler, 26 Nosler, and 33 Nosler as well as other cartridges like the 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM). load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Hornadys 7mm PRC with its high B.C. yea Im leaning more towards the 28 just cause I dont really want to fire form, I know its not the end of the world but just one more step. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. Minuteman. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Som en stor omfattende nettbutikk er hjemsol forpliktet til hjelpe deg med skape et stt liv med vre utskte produkter. Case has a good balance of capacity for the bullets I tested (180'd and 195's) Plenty of usable powder options. The structure of the material reveals the hardness. 180-gr. Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). It had impressed its power upon our troops in Cuba under fire from Spanish Mausers in 1898. It may not display this or other websites correctly. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Thoughts on a 22 or 23 Barrel in 7mm Rem Mag? Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. Mag. 6.5 PRC or .28 Nosler. 7mm RM, 2,900 fps from 24 bl. 22 Nosler. We have killed over a half dozen deer over 850 yards with the 195 berger so i know it performs well on game (never lost a deer with the 195 even with one having poor shot placement). Qty: Add to cart. Supporter. needing 1.3 mils for a 10 mph full value wind. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. It went on to prove itself as a grand all-round big game cartridge, becoming the most popular, most recognized 7mm magnum around the world. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. This is a long-range dream cartridge for sure. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. I can't tell you how many cartridge choices I've settled on, only to change my mind again and again. But if your wanting the long action anyway, I'd go with the 280ai. Meanwhile, over in Africa a Scottish commercial ivory hunter named Bell was making the little 7x57mm famous as a BIG big game round by dropping some 800 elephants with it. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. Buy Now. Full Member. When I add this up, I default to the 7mm Rem. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. 7mm Rem. Running a 7mm like others velocities are really easily to get. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. 7 saum and 7 rem mag seem like good compromises. ADG 28 Nosler. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). My 28 will not blow the door of the 7 MAX which is why I did not rechamber a 28, I want more accurate load life and no chasing lands around for only a little gain on the very end of trajectory. And heres the same 175-gr. Muzzle energy means the energy of the bullet at the time of leaving the gun. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. Saw some shiney spots, no bolt lift but did open the pocket a little to the point of a few firings at 3120 fps. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. A .208 AI would be about the same as the .284 Win loaded right. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Mag., the 264 Win. The 7mm Remington Mag generates significant recoil of 22.15 ft-lbs at 13.32 fps. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Bonus benefits with the 7mm Rem. Mag. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). Teddy Roosevelt was so impressed that he used the 757 as a basis for what became the .30-06 Springfield. We're doing break in on it tomorrow. If we're talking optimizing performance, a 26" barrel is not optimum for either cartridge - you should instead be looking at 30" - 32" barrels. I like off the shelf ammo and its 7 mag, 28 Nosler, 7mm-08 and the 280. Worth considering. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. JavaScript is disabled. Amazing bc too for the weight. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. ADG 338 Remington Ultra Mag Brass. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? My hunting partner just bought a CA Ridgeline TI in 6.5PRC. And heres a top load for the 175-gr. 28 Nosler offers excellent performance but brass is spendy and availability is hit or miss . Note: A full length article about the 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. Trustpilot. Therefore recoil is not a problem with bullets of 140-150grs. Had same dilemma, went with 7RM because even during the great Obama ammo shortage you could always find 7RM ammo. Clearly the 7mm Rem. I run the Berger 180 hybrids at 2900 in my 280 ackley with no pressure signs. Mid-size 7mm cartridges like 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Rem., 284 Win., and 280 Rem. Following since I want to do the exact same thing. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. The shot prior a half grain less powder had minimal pressure signs. If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. That's how gun control works.". I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. Like I said, I'm biased for the 7RM. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. with either the Berger 215- or 230-grain Hybrid and push them at maximum pressures. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. Long action lone peak. Few, if any, cartridges shoot as flat and hit as hard at distance as the 7mm Weatherby. First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. ADG 300 PRC Brass. 92 grs. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. But they didnt shorten anything. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. and if you cant draw any tags, youd got a target rifle to tide you over. Trustpilot. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. Now I am waffling between the 6.5x284 Norma and the 300 PRC. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. And more recoil. Check out the 10 mph right-angle wind deflection at 400 yards: just 7.82 inches. Everyone who knows what they're doing headspaces off of the shoulder anyways, and you should not be doing load development with virgin cases, you want to fire form them first so the belt is a moot point. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . Guys report great brass life with belted cases. Using new brass, like Lapua brass, when reloading allows you complete control over the finished cartridge. If youre going to tackle an elk or mule deer with a 180-grain bullet at around 2,900 fps, the 7mm version in that bullet weight will shoot flatter, drift less, and put more energy on target than the .308 version. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. These drawings will be incorporated during the next revision of the relevant SAAMI Standard. I have both the 300 and 7mm SAUM, the 300 is on a model 7 action and the 7mm a standard 700SA. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. The SAUM will be built on a long action. Compared to the ballistics of the new Rem. That results in performance like this: Whoa grandma! $94.95 $79.95. For perspective, this is 75 fps faster than most 175-gr. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. My vote would be 7RM as well. And it will likely penetrate farther because more of its mass rides in the long shank behind its nose. Mag. landed with a splash big enough to drench every deer/elk cartridge in North America. Thats fast enough to handle most 175-gr. This friction-free bullet jump allows it to break inertia more easily. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. If barrel quality is equally consistent, run-of-the-mill accuracy should exceed that of most rifles chambered for older 7mm cartridges. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. Both were introduced in 2001. I don't feel the need to give up barrel life (it may be a hunting rifle but I still practice with it) for a marginal increase in speed, as well as more powder and more expensive brass. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. I went 7SAUM. So far on order, The Sherman requires case prep and fire forming which is rounds off of your barrel life unless you buy a hydroforming die $$$$$, Caliber = internal diameter of a barrel bore, outside diameter of a bullet. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. He is having adg make brass for him, its head stamped and the neck diameter and length are correct for his design, will still need to be fire formed. . Sign up with your email address to receive news and updates. Dec 7, 2019 #14 ; 7 mag easy. | But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. One of the draws to the 7 SAUM is the availability of high-quality brass through companies like Norma and ADG. Categories The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. Either is good. 28 nosler is a great choice for the heavies mine is throated for the 195 eols but im gonna try the 190 atips soon. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Buy Now. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. Instead they seem to be shooting for the ideal balance among MV, tolerable recoil, wind deflection, and precision accuracy. Howdy. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. John makes custom dies not just what is listed. Mag. Straight on shot into chest between the legs at about 50 yds. When in doubt, pull the 338 out! We ain't raisen no yuppy girls! By 1,000 yards the PRC has nearly a 2-foot drop advantage and 14-inch windage advantage. The .28 Nosler and 7mm RUM push the same bulletsjust faster. Id suggest a similar plan. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. Nosler really hampered the performance of that round with the 3.340" COAL length. Buy Now. Nonetheless, it's nice to have options Having so many options these days is a double edged sword. A barrel shot out for target competition might remain more than accurate enough for big game hunting. Good luck in your search, hope youll be as happy as I am with my results. Just FYI before going 7-330NM, check out Long Range Hunting, there is a real long thread on there about the 28 Nosler with the 195 Bergers, just google it. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. However, if youre hoping to win a target shooting contest at 600 yards, the 3 inches less wind deflection and 4 inches less drop from the PRC give you a leg up. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . You must log in or register to reply here. Mag. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. Its likely to be as popular in the 21st century as the Rem Mag was in the 20th. First, notice that kinetic energy remains above the elk killing minimum of 1,500 ft-lbs at 700 yards. LRHTB. . RDF, or Bergers 190-gr. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. I love 7mm, just wish it would modernize a bit. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. Pros, cons of both and reasons why. Handloaders can take advantage of all these, but most commercial ammunition features 120-grain to 178-grain bullets. . This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. Run 230-240 freebore this will work for 180eldm, 184, 190,195 Bergers. ADG 300 Norma Magnum Brass. I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. Trustpilot. Crap I don't remember, I'd have to pull a bullet, I've ran H1000, Retumbo and lots of R33, that load was H1000 but I only have the speed in AB. Since then weve met eight or ten other 7mms, but none has knocked the old 7 Rem Mag from its perch. Those are some impressive numbers. I'm the same as you. The lighter, shorter 7mm bullets are preferred in these short case magnums. Of course, you can exactly match 7mm ballistics with a .308 bullet if BC and MV are identical. These are some impressive numbers. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. .672., MV 2,900 fps. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. Does a great job on Elk or pig. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. You might think Remington started the 7mm cartridge trend in 1962 with its famous 7mm Remington Magnum, but by then the 7mm Mauser was already well known. #1 Postby Marty Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:38 am. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. I think the 7saum is here to stay. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. You are using an out of date browser. How bout building a 280AI. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. Despite all this powder volume, reloading guides all indicate the 7mm RUM tops out at around 3,150 fps with a 26-inch barrel, slightly slower than the .28 Nosler. His bolt-action rifle was chambered for the confusing .275 Rigby. Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr 28 Nosler brass can be a pain to find, same goes for the ammo. Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. With 165gr bullets the 300 has a fair amount of recoil with a 150gr it feels more like a 30/06. $81.95. The Hodgdon technicians used Winchester cases and primers to develop their loads, and they were chronographed in a 24 inch barrel.